DEADLY Attitude! The Truly Shocking story of Pakistan Airlines 8303
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2024
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A gear-up landing, followed by dual engine failure - Two of the most rare emergencies in the modern airline world combined in ONE flight…..Aircraft today are miraculous machines, built specifically to warn pilots and stop things like this from happening so…how come it did anyway?? Lets together have a look at, what I consider to be one of the most shocking accidents in modern history. Stay tuned.
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Final Report:
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YAY a new video by Mentour Pilot.......... 54 minutes?????????
YAY a new 54 minute video by Mentour Pilot!!!!!!!
Where's my popcorn???
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I don't even want to think about the other PIA pilots with faked pilot licenses when this pilot was actually an inspector supposed to keep pilots in line.
Unbelievable. And nevertheless the reality.
Appreciate the sponsor too.
While they may have had a massive security issue a few years ago, they seem to have a completely clean and non-controversial record moving on from that.
Much better than betterhelp.
Remind me to never fly Pakistan Air. Substandard hiring practices, obvious excursions from the SOP's, low intelligence narcissistic pilots, and First Officers who clearly are unfamiliar with CRM procedures. What a bunch of idiots.
Bossy and overbearing with below average intelligence is a terrible combo.
Yes.. unfortunately those traits come together quite often
Sounds like the average politician...
@@AB-80X🤣🤣🤣
Not so bad if your a street cleaner, more so if your a pilot responsible for hundreds of lives!!!!
@@MentourPilot That's what I was going to say. Often people cover up their lack of competence with abrasive arrogance so they not not questioned. I have seen this happen in the computer security industry. When I encounter such a person on my team or in a rank above me, I start looking for a new job.
"Negative sir, we are comfortable we can make it. Inshallah" - As an Arab speaker with no prior knowledge of this particular incident, the second he said Inshallah, I knew that this flight was doomed. Inshallah literally means "if god wills it" and is something you never want to hear, especially from a cockpit in in the context of the pilots of PiA8303. It can be be used as a courtesy, but in in this context it is essentially a "jesus take the wheel" moment. In a cockpit there is no "inshallah" unless you have lost all engines and all controls.
I noticed that as well. It's not something you'd say if you were confident that you had everything under control.
Yep - 11 years working in the middle east, Inshallah was used every time someone had absolutely no idea if something could be done in a work scenario and instead they were trying to invoke divine intervention to compensate for their incapability to deliver. Of course Inshallah was also used in other more benign and pleasant ways, but when it came to the ability to complete a task, we knew the person saying it was not going to do it.
They should have spent more time flying the plane instead of asking God to.
Regardless of culture and religion, certain mindsets should never be allowed near technologies below 1000 years old
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
Shoutout to every pilot that got me where I needed to go still alive.
😂 I know right. I'd be so pissed off if I died because of this kind of incompetence
Pakistani pilots are the biggest joke I’ve heard in aviation
Cheers mate 😊
It is insane how safe planes are. The sheer amount of incompetence and bad luck it takes to damage one, and the sheer amount of damage it takes to break one, makes it seem insane that anyone manages to do it - and yet some people take that as a *challenge!*
Don't take it for granted. Humans ultimately decide that
I mean when Ur under pressure and tension, you lose sanity mate........
Im working on my engineering major, my teachers CONSTANTLY tells me that the problems almost ALWAYS on the monkeys operating the machinery
@@legendaryhound5261 if only it caused ppl to lose their ego so manny lives would be saved
Indeed...Planes are made fail safe....It takes intentional sabotage to crash them.
Im from Karachi where this crash happened. It was so tragic. This was the second major crash in Pakistan in recent years and both of them happened because of the Captain's arrogance. Unfortunately corruption runs very deep in our country and that's one of the reasons why people are where they shouldn't be at all.
As someone also from Karachi, I can't exaggerate how much I agree with this. A truly disheartening and disappointing incident.
I was happy when I heard they were selling PIA to a foreign operator
There's a cultural issue too. People in a position such as Captain tends to be arrogant, brash and so on. As we would say in the west. That man was outside of therapeutic reach. Doubt this man was flying due to corruption, I think he was flying because he was bullying his way ahead, and so are many others.
I've known others from Pakistan, who have complained about the corruption and arrogance as well. Yet some of these complainers continue lying and stealing inside the USA. This does not bode well for the Pakistani people.
It would have been so easy to blame it ALL on the pilots, but Petter in his final round-up lashing, outspokenly denounces malpractices, lassitude and negligence in the entire chain of responsibility. 🤬
"He (the ATC) will be surprised at what we have done."
- Captain of PIA flight 8303
(Before surprising whole world including themselves)
And they applied max manual braking when on the ground.
Indeed… horrific
RIP everyone who lost their lives due to pilot stupidity.
I feel very sorry for ATC. They tried to prevent the crash, only to be ignored by the pilots. It must have been a terribly helpless feeling.
@@MentourPilot I know they did almost everything wrong, but watching 43:11, a single --two-- too low gear warning before touch down could've saved them.
As a retired B777/787 TRI & TRE, this presentation leaves me speechless. If someone would have told me this story, with all the details (without me hearing it from the news when it actually happened), I would just have praised that persons wild and vivid imagination. This was one of those accidents that should have never happened if the pilots would have had even the smallest and slightest amount of skills, professionalism and pride of what they were doing. Totally and utterly unforgiveable to everyone within this airline, who let these pilots in the cockpit and therefore allowed this to happen.
Is everyone supposed to know what TRI/TRE mean? Don't be so damn pretentious.
@@robinac6897 I was here merely to express my opinion. Not to gain your approval.
How on earth did the two pilots not know they were to high on approach, were they total idiots ?
@@jukkaruoti6243 Your lack of readability has nothing to do with whether I approve of what you type.
Our corrupt system powered by the corrupt military, co-sponsored by corrupt politicians in association with mafias working in every department.
This basically explains my first Microsoft flight simulator approach
Perfectly fine there, to be fair, I assume that would be the whole point of the game.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The fact that the pilots seemed to fully believe that as long as they managed to actually land they wouldn't be in trouble should be an indictment of the whole company
Considering that this was a recurring pattern with this captain, it's no wonder that he would think so.
Yes.
Yes, this is a solid point. Clearly this whole "eff it, lets go for broke" mentality doesn't proliferate in a vacuum. Takes multiple layers of ineptitude to master this kind of arrogant stupidity.
It's not without reason that PIA is banned from flying to EU and many other places...
I’m watching it now and reading the comments while Petter goes on about NordVPN and it’s less than six minutes in and I can see where this is going.
I mean, in the midst of the tragedy, the fact these guys could do every single thing wrong and still have multiple chances to land safe, even late in the situation, is pretty remarkable.
It’s a testament to how safe the planes. Every single one of these planes can be programmed to fly and land themselves. Everyone would have been safer had these guys taken off, gone to sleep and then returned for the auto landing (you can’t program an auto landing at just anytime).
Can't believe they overflew an alternate militery runway. NO situational awareness.
everything in the world was trying to make them land safely but they somehow managed to crash into a residential area, it's an absolute miracle. whoever approved this guy's psychological report needs to be in prison
@@ishaan863psych report: you are not a good fit to be a pilot, you have no regard for authority and aren’t very smart
Pilot: I’ll show you! I’m going to disregard your authority by seeking a second opinion
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The country is running in the same way any time they will be a crash landing of the economy, political institution , educational institution, religious institution and militant groups will be running amok
Kudos to the psychiatrist who had failed the capt in the beginning before he became a pilot and capt. Ignoring the doctors advice had proven to be disastrous in this case. RIP.
As a resident of Karachi, reliving that horrible memory, now with full details, I cannot begin to comprehend how idiotic the pilots acted. I always thought it was something that happened all of a sudden, but now I can see that this was almost as if Sajjad Gul wanted to commit suicide and take as many lives with him as possible. He didn't even crash into the sea. That arrogant, ignorant fool.
Thanks @Mentour for the remarkably detailed explanation. It was very informative.
nice little reference there.
To me, that is one of the most horrifying incidents I can recall. There were so many opportunities to avoid it. That crew was consuming slices of Swiss cheese faster than they could be produced.
Yeah. Unfortunately this wasn't a case of the Swiss cheese lining up, it was the pilots devouring all the cheese until none was left.
They were fasting, they skipped the cheese entirely
They were fasting tho. They declined that light snack remember...?
Did they even bother to get landing clearance? For the first landing.
@@ahgflyguyI don't think so
"He will be impressed what we've done!" No my friend, the whole world will have a hard look at you and train everyone to not do what you did! Rest in peace all those who lost their lives! 😢
Impressed is not positive per sé.
He did impress them. But not in a good way
It *is* quite impressive to crash the same aircraft twice in one flight, honestly
He can't rest in peace bro, he got cremated in the incident
Impressive as to how stupid the whole situation became and gross neglect on all sorts of levels.
If the goal was to ignore the most warnings possible in the least amount of time, this guy takes the cake.
I actually live in Model Colony, this plane crashed some two minutes away from my house, I remember one of my friends called me five or six times before I picked up to see if I was alright or not. I have a friend who lived in the same street this plane fell in, his recalling of the events is quite harrowing. He was alright though, they were unharmed, thankfully. The whole situation was just so bizzare, my father visited the crash site later that same night and told us the whole area was crumbled and there were people all around and it was just sad.
did government paid for the reconstruction of houses and other damages?? and can u please tell how many colony residents died?? because there is no reporting on what happened to the people living in those houses
this story reminded me of that story where a religious guy is stuck on the roof of his house in a flood, and whenever someone tries to rescue him he goes "god will save me" until he drowns. Then he asks god why he didn't get saved and god says "I sent you two boats and a helicopter." The ATC here was the voice of god. And the pilot rejected every single life saving order he was being given. Such is the ego of man.
That's a brilliant story! Wow.
I sent you a policeman. I sent you a truck. I sent you a boat. I even sent you a helicopter!. What more did you expect me to do?
I remember this story fondly as a university student being recruited to a fraternity. It was told by an elder fraternity member to the possible neophytes during one of the recruitment dinner events.
Nicely put. Yes .
Remember when you were considered unfit to be a pilot? Even back then I was already trying to save you. But you had to be stubborn and fight my will.
The sheer arrogance and incompetence of the captain is staggering. He is guilty of murdering the passengers and crew members who died at his hand.
Only matched by the Dallas Air Boss! Stupidity is a universal phenomenon, it doesn't care about race, gender or language ...
My uncle, who is long deceased, used to fly a Cessna Skymaster because it had a redundant engine in-line. He observed every safety precaution to the letter, AND abided by every safety principle in spirit. He used to go all the way to the end of his home runway to take off, and by the time he passed the tower, he had already rotated and was usually about level with ATC. He and the controller had worked out a little routine. When my uncle passed the tower, the controller would deadpan, "Got enough runway, there, Cam?" And my uncle would reply, laconically, "Can't use runway you don't have."
They engaged in this little routine every time he took off. He wasn't an especially humble person, but he was a very humble pilot.
I'm not a pilot, and I totally lost count of the number of times I was shaking my head in disbelief through this video.
This story gets more unbelievable and more horrifying as it goes on. Those guys weren't in a fit state to drive a bus, let alone fly an Airbus, disregarding all sense and procedure and squabbling silently over the controls. Who could blame the aircraft's warning systems for not prioritising the warnings appropriately when the pilot appeared to be trying to crash the plane?
To think that if they had simply realised that the gear was still up on their initial approach, they might still have been able to land the thing.
They weren't in a fit state to drive a /Go-Kart/. |:{
@@SeamusDonohueEVEOnline I doubt their ability to walk 😆
Probably he had done this before, if he'd made this landing it would probably have happened on a subsequent flight....
I know, this seemed like a movie plot, totally unbelievable stuff.
the only thing wrong these guys didn't do was
It's finally happened. We've finally reached the level of incompetence that you'd be better off selecting passengers to fly the approach.
Exactly, I probably could have done a better job.
When i was 8 and first flying in FSX my landings looked like that, but at least i had my gear down while piledriving the runway
After watching this channel for years I think I could fly a plane 😂
No, certain pilots have reached this point which only allowed by certain airlines. If this was rampant we'd be seeing major crashes far more often. I believe culture plays a role also. In some cultures junior officers are either discouraged from offering advice or they are simply reluctant to do so. Also from my understanding Airbus flight systems have a weird way of handling competing control inputs. It is difficult or impossible to for one side to lock out the other. This played a role in the Air France crash after pitot tubes froze over followed by the aircrew stalling the airplane with all about killed when it just fell into the ocean. It was a confusing time but they crashed a perfectly operating airplane.
I got 150 hrs on Microsoft flight sim. Pretty sure I could do better.
I have seen a lot of air-crash invenstigation videos and reports, like a lot of them. In each of them or at least in most of them the crew struggles to control the aircraft and there is something wrong with the aircraft. But in this case, it seemed like the aircraft was literally begging from the crew to handle it correctly. The amount of stress the engines went through at the runway was just beyond thinking. It just that when you were describing the non-chatting among the cew, my reaction was like why the hell are they not talking? and why would anyone in their right mind will disregard ATC? It was so frustrating to see these behaviour which led for death of so many people, just because they didn't know how to fly an aircraft.
I want to pay you the highest compliment: I've been a very nervous flyer for most of my adult life (I require some liquid courage at the airport bar before every flight) and I genuinely believe your videos have helped me. I had to fly recently and it was the first time I can remember that I wasn't white-knuckle the entire time. Yes, I did enjoy some liquid courage beforehand, lol, but this time felt different. I was more at ease. Your videos are amazing and they've actually helped me understand how safe air travel really is and to understand things as simple as bumps in the air what sounds the plane makes. Thank you!
The irony. No gear landing destroyed the engines.... lowering the gear doomed any chance of making the airport. This was great, Peter. Thanks!
typical muslims. Vnonchalance
Yeah, the landing gear crashed them twice
I almost yelled several times "No, they didn't"... Utter, utter negligence and incompetence.
Most of it, I could at least see some level of, okay maybe I can see how that makes sense in their minds, even if it's obviously wrong. But when the copilot did everything but announce an aborted landing and the pilot responded by taking over the controls (at around 34:00-36:00), that really just made me throw my hands up. How can you be so arrogant that, even when your partner-in-flying has called off the attempt and you have to basically banish him from flying the plane to keep on track, you don't realize how foolish you're being?
After that, nothing that happened surprised me, including the blatant and indefensible defiance of ATC instructions.
I was literally screaming here and very upset 😡 😭
I'm listening, BUT not watching this YT video at about 25 minutes.
Lined up with the ground for an arrival, not a landing. Splat...
The radio glidepath system gave 'em false confidence, but could that slope have even looked right?
Were they ALSO not looking out of the front window? YT video is at 37 minutes and I can guess what happens next... Too fast. OMG
EDIT: Now at 3k feet again? I must have missed something. I thought they'd be crashing on the runway, but they took off again?
It’s always devastating when you hear that the safety procedures in place would’ve prevented this, but 2nd opinions and appeals effectively removed those things put in place to save lives.
its been 4 years? Wow I remember it as if it was just yesterday. My aunt's cousin was one of the unfortunate passengers, coming home after years. I remember hearing about the crash and my aunt informing us that her cousin was on the flight and all of us sitting in the living room watching the news and praying,hoping he was one of the survivors. He was not. The airport is so close to my home too, so that was scary too ,thinking it could have been our house. It was like a nightmare come to life.
I remember this one
I also remember my disbelief at how many pilots with fake licenses were employed by the airline
And I nearly fell off my seat when PIA publicly and proudly stated they were now "strictly enforcing the no alcohol or drugs policy for flight crews" and additionally stating all crews had been reminded "it was illegal to smuggle explosives or firearms in the cockpit"
WTF?????
RIP to all souls lost
PIA = Please Inform Allan
There's a Coffeezilla video on not quite fake but bought licenses and degrees in Pakistan, India, and the wider ME. I'm not suprised that they hired pilots with bogus degrees.
In the digital age where just about any certification can be checked by practically anyone, how is it possible to pass a fake pilot's license? That's truly baffling. Money changing hands = wink & a nod to Captain McLovin?
Not surprised at the fake licences at all - a while back bus driving licencing changed and in my local area large numbers of a certain demographic vanished from the buses.
Allan or Allah? @@usual-suspect
Thank you for covering this. My university lecturer Sarah Polani sadly died in this crash with her family, flying home after covid shut down everything. RIP Sarah you are greatly missed.
I can't like your comment, but you have my condolences.
PIA = Please Inform Allan
@@meritwolf219 what does liking a comment exactly mean? Does it mean you like what's being explained or you agree with the sentiment of the statement? This philosophical questions has never been answered throughout human history.
@@usual-suspectAt the snack bar?
@@MultiChrisjbOf course it's been answered, it's individuality. It Is.
in four years since the accident, this one is perhaps the most comprehensive analysis of the incident covering many aspects that were overlooked by others
The production quality of MP is astoundingly crisp and concise in its attempts to animate and narrate. I love and appreciate the extreme efforts. Thank you!
You know Peter really means it when he doesn't even say bye-bye at the end of the video. This was such a preventable accident, and it is so mindblowing this was allowed at all (with all the ways that could've been saved).
I was also about to say the same. No bye bye, No suggestions to watch similar videos. Peter had enough of these Pilot's stupidity.
Even in the video, you can actually see how uncomfortable Peter gets while explaining what the pilot did.
You're right about everything, but I just want to point out that this WASN'T 'allowed'. Not by anyone but the two (thankfully-deceased) pilots who conspired to send 96 others into the next life unnecessarily. As Mentour says, they broke ALL the rules.
@@meritwolf219 whilst I agree with you in principle this wasn't the first time this pilot and this airline had pulled things similar to this, their regulator had failled hugely to catch them - so it was allowed by the system in practice even if it was "not allowed" acroding to the rules...
@@tomriley5790 You're right. Which means OP was too. Especially since, upon rereading his comment in terms of that understanding, I think he really was saying exactly that. Thank you.
@@tomriley5790 Indeed, exactly.
The scary thing about this excellent channel is that Petter doesn't run out of material.
I've thought of that.
No hype, no drama. Just facts and professional opinion.
This episode could easily be three videos.
We're at 1 million flights per day. Probability says stuff will go wrong sometimes. We're really very safe in the sky.
@@olivermahon9509 The actual number of passenger flights per day is closer to 100,000, with about 6 million people flying each day, about 0.1% of the world population.
I am from Pakistan and its very sad to know that we have this type of pilots in our flights and we depend on them it was very very crying for us. I wasn't able to understand why this happened but after seeing your video i am now totally aware of the incident 😢😢😢😢
These pilots break every rule in aviation industry. Never seen or heard anything like this. Even though they done that, the aircraft is very resilient to hold them in air as long as possible to correct their mistakes.
It was an Airbus afterall.
This was the most frustrating video I have seen you make. Continuous disregard for procedures. A lack of understanding what stress does to a person. An abandonment of CRM. It makes me want to show this video at our next safety meeting.
I am the facility safety compliance officer for my company. Every rule we have to follow, OSHA, Fire marshal, building permits, etc. exist because of a tragedy. When I see someone make so many errors, someone who knows the rules, I am left angry and shocked too.
This entire flight, start to finish, was a disgrace to aviation. When you are that far off course and receiving orders, something must be wrong in their head to continue.
@@chukwudiilozue9171 I mean it's obvious what's wrong with their heads. At least with captain's.
don't be a weirdo. showing this to your employees would just frustrate them.
There’s a facebook post by the captain’s brother-in-law saying that the captain was a “selfless” “respectful person” that “used to always think of others”, “a competent pilot” and a “wonderful human being” and blamed the accident on a “technical issue”. Insane to say the least, not to mention that he gave the fact that he prayed 5 times a day as evidence that he was the best and most respectful
I don't blame a family member of not blaming the captain, honestly. It's hardly unreasonable to try to justify something like this from a loved one.
Relatives are never objective sources so I wouldn't hold it against them. It's like when you see a mother of a criminal crying on TV that the cops killed her son, because in her mind there should have been another way and he shouldn't have died. Same here, the relatives of any pilot will be in denial believing that something else went wrong, it couldn't be their relative's fault.
I will say as well they may never believe the final report or even believe it
@@allnighter2011 need you to pump the brakes on likening this to a bereaved mother asking that extrajudicial killings not be carried out by police. that was neither relevant nor tasteful. this pilot got himself and others killed by picking a fight with gravity and the planet. cops are human people who make the conscious decision to murder civilians in a way a runway cannot and does not.
thing is, their entire nation is full of scammers and liars so nothing they people can say can be trusted
Work in PCAA.. Very well explained. The bossy attitude and ME-KNOW-EVERYTING led to such disasters. ATC performed its function well
My jaw is on the floor. Its hard to believe this level of incompetence, arrogance, and disregard exists in an airline cockpit. And all that from a standards inspector?
That ending though: Peter just about managed to hold back his anger, and I am with him 100%!
INEXCUSABLE all the way around.. Nothing more to be said.
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
@@usual-suspect stop the copy paste, troll.
@@LathropLdST Copy that. Over.
Also holding back his anger for calling him Peter instead of Petter...
The fact that 2 people survived and ONLY 1 person was injured on the ground is a miracle when it comes to this absurd story
The person on the ground was _fatally_ injured, meaning, they died from the accident as well, even if not immediatly.
I'm also trying to wrap my head around this. The surviving passengers were definitely mangled and burned badly, but it is pretty amazing that they are alive. I believe a lot more people were injured on the ground and one died, but that's also relatively amazing. I agree that the whole story is absurd from start to finish.
At least 8 people on the ground were injured (reports vary, some saying 25-30 were admitted to hospital for treatment). 1 on the ground died - that wasn't the count of ground injuries. But I agree, the 2 survivors were miraculous.
@@amarissimus29 One of the strange things about this accident is that actually the two survivors were not that badly hurt. One of them walked out of the flaming plane and was treated for burns to the extremities only and was well enough to give interviews immediately. The other passenger survived because his seat was flung away from the plane and away from the fire - he only had a broken arm and some bruising.
@@aesaphyr Yeah sometimes people make it out in such an absurd way, like from the japanese airplane that crashed straight into a mountain and you had ~5 survivors iirc, which is pretty much crazy when you think about the impact force of a full dive plain hitting the ground
Hi, been watching your channel for a couple of months now and just wanted to say that I find all episodes extremely informative. I am not working in the aviation field, nor do I have an interest in planes, but discovering the channel I find myself engrossed in the information you provide. So much so that I recently went to a flight simulator out of curiosity, I believe you will be going there later this year when a concord sim arrives. I chose to fly the 737 sim as I had seen it on your channel, and, well, I loved every minute and managed to take off and land, manually. Obviously my first time so the instructor did all the throttle etc but I had the stick and did a perfect landing into a simulated Oslo airport. Had it not been for this channel I would have missed the opportunity to see how it feels to fly a plane. I will be going back as I would like to do more, but at my age Im too old to become a pilot. Thank you Petter for such brilliant and informative episodes.
You are the best analyst out there. Informed,thorough, and straightforward. I would fly with you anytime
That ATC guy was the mvp here but that pilot's stubbornness won out over logic and another's authority
He was the good guy there, but sadly the stupid pilots crashed the plane because of him asking about the landing gear
@@milan99czthey had a belly landing prior to this question, the ATC didn't know they were in a grave stall situation at that point and although I am assuming, they were probably checking if they were having landing gear problems and if they needed to prepare the runway and the emergency personnel for a belly landing procedure. The pilots could've just said to the ATC "unable, standby" or something along those lines cause even me, as a general aviation enthusiast face palmed when i heard they put the gear down in a low speed, low altitude stall situation.
One thing I can't seem to understand is why Karachi approach cleared them to land? (34:25)
Ultimately, the ATC can't tell him what to do, only advise him. It makes sense, the pilots are responsible for the lives on board, but in this case the pilot was completely incompetent.
"We can make it, Inshallah".
Allah's not the one flying that plane. Those pilots' dumb asses are.
I love his “this will play an important part later”, and “remember this fact”. Like my old high school teachers prepping us for exams. 🙂
.... those pilots are totally incompetent... what a story
I always pause the video and write down these facts in my notepad, for reference in latter parts of the video.
I does consume extra time. "Next I will explain to you that the chicken crossed the street. Please remember this for later.", "Now I will tell you that the chicken crossed the street, it will be important for the remaining part of the story,." "And then the chicken crossed the street. Do not forget this." "Remember that I told you that the chicken crossed the street?" and so on.
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
@@tommyrjensen ....it's more like...now at 18:34 and 20 seconds the chicken approached the road slightly ahead and below the normal clearance visual height to see that the road was clear, and, had the chicken learned anything from prior chickens that crossed the road, then what happened next could have been avoided - more on this in a minute - so now the chicken proceeds with his limited vantage of the crossing traffic while at exactly the same time an 18 wheeled semi tractor trailer, pulling 40,000 lbs of fowl in that trailer, has no indication that the chicken would actually step into the road. So, the passenger in the semi, who should be monitoring the sides of the road for any possibility of a chicken, and should be prepared to warn the driver who's job is to drive the semi, was not clearly communicating......... and so on....
I am ex US Air Force. I have enjoyed your narration, details, background and explanations. You reports are a pleasure to hear.
this incident happened at my house it was so scary at that time, still cant sleep just because of that incident
The fact that two people survived this crash is absolutely remarkable
Yes, indeed.
Really - I don't see how that is possible.
Surviving doesn't necessarily mean walking away. They were probably mangled and permanently handicapped.
@@TucsonDude Zafar Masood "suffered only fractures" and Muhammad Zubair "suffered only minor injuries"
If you search, one of the survivors has a TEDx talk, “What I learned as one of two survivors of a plane crash”.
I'm a systems analyst by profession and I can tell you there's no use trying to design a system around a person who's determined to hurt themselves or do the wrong thing.
Don't we put in checks and processes to identify and retrain or remove those people?
@@kxjx As someone quietly corrected me earlier, the people determined to do the wrong thing weren't limited to the cockpit of this aircraft. Those checks and processes were ALSO administered by such people.
@@meritwolf219 yeah, there is something about incentives here
In the future someone who flies like this will be replaced during the flight either by a team on the ground or artificial intelligence.
The task of idiotproofing will ever be doomed by the universe's ability find better and better idiots.
You presented that so well, I've watched big budget films that never had me glued to the screen like this did. Superb work unpacking this avoidable catastrophe.
As a Pakistani, I advocate for the complete dissolution of PIA. Given the state of affairs across the country, I harbor no trust in any government-run institution. It's as if we're operating the entire nation like these pilots. Witnessing such incompetence fills me with immense anguish and despair.
Even as an inexperienced, instrument rated pilot, some of the decisions made by this flight crew absolutely blow my mind. One of the most important things you're taught when learning engine-out procedures is to maintain a clean configuration until you are certain that you will reach the runway. Of the hundreds of air crash investigation videos I have watched, the negligence and disregard for SOPs by this crew overshadow any that I've seen before.
This really is mind blowing. With each minute that passed, each ray of hope was systematically snuffed out by complete incompetence. Unbelievable.
Hard agree. Mentour does well to hide his disgust at the extreme negligence these two showed... It's a wonder they even made it to the front seats in the first place. RIP to the innocent souls lost.
Even as a non-pilot who has only "flown" a couple of hundred hours in video games, I've immediately facepalmed as soon as the gear drop has been mentioned. That guy didn't just throw SOPs out of the window, but any basic understanding of how an airplane works along with it.
Even as a non-pilot who once played MS Flight Simulator and managed to crash before even getting airborne and somehow accidentally came across this video, I can clearly conclude that these 2 pilots should have stuck to flying paper airplanes, and only with parental oversight.
They may have been DEI hires.
This video is one of the most shocking in my opinion because I would never ever imagined it would be possible to let such an incompetent crew fly an airliner.
I'm now dubious flying Boeing. But certain I don't want PIA whatever the aircraft.
Perhaps not so much on the part of the co-pilot. They often? sometimes? not say anything in part due to deference to an older, more experienced pilot. Especially in societies where there is more reserve and deference to older men.
@@josepha.r5839 as an Asian where deference to elders & authority is a cultural norm, these days we are specifically trained to disregard it when it comes to safety. It depends on the organization & if they have trained their staff well. Cultural norms are well & good but not at the workplace and any impact to safety.
@@nikpalagaming8610 exactly Korean Airlines managed to change this culutre after their crash there's no excuse for Pakistan's airlines and regulators not to have done it.
@@tomriley5790 / He did a video about that crash I believe.
I do find it interesting how much worse things can get when multiple shortcomings of an individual or team are in play. But also how much as a team people can work well together and compensate each member's flaws. A bad team can still work well together but in a way that amplifies each member's flaws to create a giant incompetency within the team that much more dangerous than any one of the individual members.
You're right on point. This video has given me an in-depth idea of how pilots were flying. I lost two of my friends, one with their entire family, including two kids and a wife, losing their lives. My condolences to all the families for the loss of everyone onboard. May God give them peace and the highest place in heaven.
It saddens me because the aircraft seemed to behave just the way it should. The pilots really betrayed their passengers, but it's a miracle that there weren't more casualties in the ground. Another excellent video, good sir. Congrats to you and the team.
Generally in 3rd world countries like Pakistan, the death toll is often under reported.
Source: I speak from my personal experience in India (also a 3rd world nation).
That was probably the most forgiving A320 ever. They could probably even land it after damaging both engines, but nope. Sheer incompetence. 😢
@@krishnagopalsinha4799 As a person who lives in south asian countries, I can definitley tell they absolutely under reported the deaths.
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
It was indeed Great Luck. According to what I readed: The crash happened on a Friday, it was therefore a Holiday in Pakistan, many people were not at home but in the Mosque for praying and not many people were on the street, too. The dead person on the ground was a 13 year old Girl which was together with her two sisters in the third floor of their house which was ripped of by the right wing of the Aircraft.
I’m in the trucking industry and I can tell you that this does not shock me time and time and time again I have asked my coworkers to please stick to a standard operating procedure, are still stubborn and won’t do it. I’m pretty sure that this captain had done similar things before and gotten away with it if you keep doing things the wrong way and don’t follow your standard operating procedure that set up by your industry standard eventually you will have problems. It’s very sad that so many people had to die because of this pilot
Truck drivers are truck drivers for a reason.
@@norwegianzoundwhich you enjoy the goods and service that trucking supplies 😐😑 , he was pointing out there are walking twits like the captain in every industry .
@@norwegianzoundcultural problems from this part of the world. Personal responsibility should be universal to all industries
Sadly I'm not surprised, but this is the reason why Aviation is supposed to be so safe...
I understand why sops are there for truck drivers, but SOPs for pilots are not just necessary but mandatory. I can't believe how pilots showed such ignorance
I really have little interest and no knowledge about piloting but this showed up on my feed and it was so compelling. Well done!
On a side note, watching your videos really inspires me to work harder, its crazy how much research you put into them, while working as a pilot!
A great example of just how bad a pilot you need to be to have an accident in this day and age.
I'm honestly impressed. The captain had many options to take good advice ("Are you happy with track miles", "turn left..."), and he managed to listen to the one call that ended up killing them ("go around" after already crashing into the ground).
Indeed, exactly.
Two calls. 'Go around', and the later call from the controller about his gear.
These pilots are so incompetent it's actually impressive.
@@cr10001 Yes - and that says much, too.
I remembered Mini Air Crash Investigation covering this exact same incident and I am still impressed that the ombudsman didn't take the Inception-style collection of 5 different cleared psych evaluations as some sort of a warning.
I am from Pakistan and the way that you have speculated about this investigation from every angle is amazing. Pilots should follow all safety protocols since passengers lives are in the hand of the pilot, it's not that you are flying a cargo plane, it's a passenger airline where passenger safety always comes first. Old, young, women, pregnant, infants, children all fall in the category of passenger so pilots should prioritize safety protocols under all circumstances.
I am quite impressed by that number 2 engine honestly. There aren't many machines in the world you can smack into the ground, grind down a little off the bottom and it will just go: All right then, I guess I will restart myself because you still need me.
That why’s it cost so much
We don't know how much of it was ground down (i.e. missing), it could be only the cowling and the external machinery Petter talked about, but not the actual compressors/burners/turbines part.
You sir have never owned a Toyota Huilix.
@@paulbenkovitz2061 The truck so durable that they had to stop making them. Not because of corporate greed, but because it was too useful for paramilitaries...
Sounded like the major damage was loss of engine oil. Unlike auto engines which usually use friction bearings...jet engines all use real bearings, roller, tapered or ball...so while loss of oil would eventually cause engine failure....it's not as immediate as it would be with an auto type friction bearing.
Jus saying.... :^)
A terrifying degree of incompetence in the cockpit- not to mention whatever regulatory body was responsible for training and licensing both of these idiots. There were so many nails in that "coffin" there would have been no wood left.
After that accident there was a crackdown with regards to pilot licenses: PIA grounded a bunch of pilots, fired some of them and the Civil Aviation Authority in Pakistan stopped licensing pilots altogether for a while.
Totally incompetent!
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
There's a 20+ year old joke that PIA stands for 'Please Inform Allah' or 'Perhaps I Arrive' so I doubt this captain was the exception.
@@a64750 Even with the gear down, they ran the risk of overshooting the runway, like Garuda 200.
I was surprised that the landing gear warning wasn't more prominent, but it makes sense.
When the choice is between crash landing for no reason with landing gears, crash landing for no reason without landing gears or just not crash landing for no reason, there's an objectively correct choice.
It's just impossible to design a failsafe for this level of incompetence and stupidity.
Excellent video thank you, both informative and well-edited to illustrate the proceedings
Side note, I realise it's just how the simulation looks but did anyone else find it darkly hilarious how the sim-pilots were just sat there hands-free watching the plane go down? Seemed very apt.
The last comment hit hard. I once was playing a online game, just fooling around on a helicopter, when suddenly a bunch of other player jumped in to get a ride to a drop zone. I got so nervous, and nearly crashed. I felt horrible and after that played extra safe, since I feared spoiling the game for the other that were now my passenger, anonymous players... But this feeling was super strong with “virtual lives”;what kind of mind makes you so cocky that you just disregard others safety?
Thanks for sharing your experience! I too can really relate to this.
Just curious what game was that ?
Every time I fire up X-Plane, I try to follow procedure the best I can. Follow the checklist religiously. Keep checking all system indications constantly. Keep checking that RNAV is still functional. That's usually with 150 virtual lives - when I disconnect AP, it's always when I have full visual with the runway, or if it misbehaves and I have to take over.
How can someone deem breaking procedure acceptable regardless of whether the aircraft's in danger or not is beyond me. Especially an actual machine with that many actual people on board.
I feel guilty when I accidentally shoot down my virtual wingmen in DCS World.
Fantastic comment by the way.
I worked as an instrument fitter and radio mechanic for an airline in Australia for 11 years. Friends often asked me if I was interested in learning to fly. I had enough understanding to know that I was not quick thinking or sharp enough to be a pilot. As Clint Eastwood said, ‘a man has got to know his limitations’.
Fair play to you sir! 🙂
Mr Eastwood understands that unlike almost everyone, age is not a limitation for him.
@@lookintoit4537 he inspires me to stop thinking about retirement. I heard him interviewed about this and he said, “I get up in the morning and keep the old man out.”
Knowing yourself can really improve your life. That's why I don't have and will never have a credit card. I cannot go shopping with future money. It's why my savings is in illiquid money, gold and silver. Those barriers are just enough for me to HAVE to act responsibly with my excess income.
@@SubvertTheState can’t imagine how much money you have saved in interest, well done.
I just used an hour didn't plan on. Incredible video and commentary. Thank you for a very interesting and scary video!
I've been a fan of aviation for many years now it was my very dream from the beginning to become a pilot. But this single event from my home country made me change my mind. The sheer incompetence and carelessness is mind boggling
You know Petter is being extra serious when he doesn't say "have an absolutely fantastic day and I'll see you next time. Bye bye."
😞
The pilots, especially the captain, were behaving like they'd never flown an airliner before!
Maybe only flew Sims and Snuck aboard this real plane for its first/last flight …
The pilot tried to impress the controller with his flying abilities.
It did not work.🙄
Considering 40% of the pilots had fake licences thinking it's GTA or something and these two were NOT one of them, is peak PIA
Actually, they behaved like people who are so used to disregard standard operation procedures that they were dull to the many warnings. Newbies behave way better than seasoned people who always did things wrong
@@GaryH-pw9cm Pilot uses flying. I't's not very effective.
bro, I am Pakistani and didn't know about the real fact of this accident - thanks for giving your time and efforts hope PIA gets lessons and the people of Pakistan safe from these culprit monster
Interesting! Very glad I did not experience any part of that! Good analysis & presentation- per usual & as expected. Once again, thank you!
What an absolutely infuriating story. I feel terrible for that first officer; he seemed to be trying to do the right thing at every stage of the approach. He suggested they do an orbit (denied by hotshot captain); he put the gear up when it was obvious they weren't going to make the landing (ignored by hotshot captain); he made the only radio calls that weren't blatantly lying about their situation (when he wasn't just saying what hotshot captain told him to say); his control inputs seem to indicate that he was trying to abort the approach at every possible opportunity. By the time he finally worked up the courage to actually SAY something ("take off sir!"), he was giving the wrong advice.
Tragic example of why it's so important that junior employees are instilled with the confidence to speak up when they KNOW something or someone is wrong, even when it means going up against a senior employee.
This deserves waaay more upvotes.
The problem is jr. employees do NOT KNOW when something is wrong. They think something is wrong, but the sr. employee keeps indicating they are fine... That is when jr employees go into passive behaviour until the last moment.
@@mandrews1245 Sometimes they do.
Sometimes they are very well trained, and they indeed know things, but don't dare to tell or intervene.
Sometimes they notice things that are missed by the experienced professionals because those have learned from their experience that certain things are not worthy to be checked, because they never fail/are never wrong. Except when they are.
I have to tell that I don't fly by profession, but I work in a field where mistakes do have consequences.
I am always eager to hear what the newcomers say. Yes, 9/10 are meaningless and unimportant. (This is an opportunity to teach them.) But the remaining 10th is a point of view that no one in the current team has, and their insight and ideas can prove to be very useful.
The incident occurred very close to my home, and it left us all in shock. At first, I harbored a sympathetic feeling towards pilots, especially upon hearing the composed final communication from the captain to the air traffic control. However, upon reviewing the complete report, my emotions shifted to devastation. It's now daunting to consider traveling with PIA, considering how many similar instances might still persist within our system. RIP poor souls.
Unfortunately, this incident, and the other recent crash, only points toward a very corrupt and inadequate safety system and training program within PIA. Probably enhanced by an equal high corruption rate in the Pakistani society as a whole (not surprisingly considering the salary ratings in that society, but still no excuse either and a very damning circumstance in generel). And unfortunately, it's not just the 2 crashes with their loss of so many lives that should never have been cut short in this tragic manner. I have no count on the many irregularities I have come across over the years when it comes to PIA, many of them potentially lethal with only a miracle preventing that lethal outcome. And I'm not even in the actual aircraft safety community where these incidents are best known.
I also know that the media coverage in Pakistan is not as available as in the western world, but I still cannot fathom why the generel population of Pakistan will still even want to fly with PIA at the present level of safety, let alone the possibility of reparations for injured or relatives of fatal casualties being available in Pakistan. This is one air line that should be so feared that nobody would want to even see their aircraft on the tarmac of an airport.
And quite apart from all this, which unfortunately is mostly harmful to any common Pakistani traveller, there is the inevitably delayed action on the part of the international regulatory system of aircraft safety as a whole to deny PIA access to the airspace, again sadly putting many people of Pakistan in totally unwarranted lethal danger, augmented by the support to PIA by the Pakistani government in some misguided sense of national pride overriding the safety of the population as a whole. And that is inexcusable in my humble view., to the point of actively taking part in organized premeditated manslaughter every time a life is lost because of it.
Sorry. It sounds like I'm degrading the whole Pakistani society and all the people there across the board. I'm not. I'm sorry that you have to live in such circumstances. Nobody should have to do that.
I thought PIA was once a highly regarded and well regulated airline. No so anymore, apparently
@@Jens-Viper-Nobel
Contrary to this you should know pakistanis as a WHOLE seek to avoid pia as much as possible. The only time you’ll see anyone bothering to use them is affordability purposes.
I had to take a flight with pia last year and I can’t tell you how many people across friends and family chided me as to why i would ever use them 🤣 turned out to be a pleasant flight in this case
@@Jens-Viper-Nobel I hear you. It sounds like there are some deep-rooted issues regarding independence and democracy in Pakistan. The prevalence of corruption and a bossy nature in the workplace seems to be widespread, making it challenging for individuals to thrive, especially those pursuing careers like becoming pilots. It's unfortunate that the definition of leadership there is different and reflects a toxic environment. Hopefully, with time, the promising generation can bring about positive change.
@@alli3219 It's truly heartbreaking to witness PIA's decline, I heard it will privatized real soon.
So many opportunitiess. They were incredibly lucky despite repeated fatal mistakes and ruined every chance to save themselves. How sad.
This is one if the most shocking displays of incompetence that i have ever seen. As an engineer, I understand how much work was put into making this airplane overcome extreme mistakes by the pilots. However, eventually, all factors of safety and safeguards that are in place cannot overcome extreme incompetence from the pilots. This is extremely devasting to see.
I’m a civilian and this angers me beyond disbelief. I can only imagine how devastating this must be for pilots to watch or for Petter to report. Just….wow.
It makes us ordinary passengers a bit wary of flying. I was on an internal Nigerian flight, when it landed flames and sparks came out of a wheel when the captain applied the brakes. The typical African attitude to maintenance is "It's working. Therefore nothing needs doing".
Yeah, it makes you really want to pay a bit more for Delta or Lufthansa or other reputable airline.
And the person killed on the ground was a 12-year-old child who was working as a maid. "A child maid", ffs. She had 60% burns; her sisters had over 70% burns - they survived, she did not. It's heartbreaking.
@@CathyKitsonCultural and religious issues in Pakistan have ruined it
Don't fly during Ramadan.
Holy shit. The fact that there's a more-than-zero percent chance of getting stuck onboard a plane with pilots like this is downright terrifying. While these videos are often quite tragic, the educational value (along with Petter's superb presentation) almost always keeps them entertaining. This is the first time I actually felt angry throughout the majority of the video -- simply because it was difficult to comprehend how the f*ck a *certified pilot* could possibly make so many catastrophically horrendous and utterly inexcusable decisions with total disregard for the safety and well-being of the nearly 100 passengers aboard his plane. What an absolute nightmare. My sincere condolences to the victims' families and loved ones.
Thanks again for another phenomenal demonstration, Petter. Your accident analyses are truly unique in both quality and insight. I think I speak for everybody when I say we greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into providing this outstanding content for us. Please, keep up the remarkable work, my friend!
that pilot was stuck in the flight simulator game, and he wants to try hard landing
Your post says it all. Unreal.
This one actually made me physically sick to my stomach.
This guy literally appealed his rejection on the grounds that "when I applied, the standards were lower"
And remember: there are people actively trying to lower standards because muh dei.
FYI there is a high probability that the pilot had a fake License or used unfair means to become a pilot. His father said in an interview that his son was studying Law when one day out of the blue his son told him that he'll become a pilot and join PIA. His father asked him how is it possible ? to which his son replied"I have made some arrangements .( Probably cheated in qualification exam or used fake degrees)
I flew the same route, Lahore to Karachi, on PIA and during the Ramadan, just before sunset (we were served meals precisely at sunset time… even though we could still see the sun up at flight altitude, I remember reflecting to my seat neighbor ). So, the pilots had also most probably been fasting for 12 or 14 hours!
But that flight was back in 1991, and PIA was (possibly) not yet rotten to the bone!
As a paragliding pilot seeing lot's of mistakes people make I have one comment to make: People's judgment power can flactuate over hours, days or minutes. Each day we need to make countless decisions and for that, each time we need to make a judgment. Each judgment depends on how we "see (the level of mental clarity)" the situation and how we "judge" the next move should be.
When it comes to flying, a bad decision is fatal.
Now how to ensure the times we are flying, we are in our best? Well, first, identfy some common causes of having a lower mental clarity, second having some indicators to measure our mental clarity.
For the first part as we all know, going through a difficult time in life, going though any diet change, having work or life related stress and being in a certain period of a mental disorder can be a cause. The rule of thumb is, if you know one of those going on, take the side of caution stay on the ground.
For the second part, I usually have things like playing a 5 minutes chess. Beleive it or not, making an obvious blunder very well indicates that my mind clarity is lower than my own average. Other things to care about: how do people react to me and my conversations that day? Each person could come out with their own ways.
Even in a normal life it's easy to have a bad judgment day and ruin the results of a long term efforts.
Your videos just keep getting better and better. At this point you're basically doing one hour documentaries, and most people have no idea how much work it takes to produce and edit shows like this. Well done! Keep 'em coming.
This is way better than any "seconds from disaster" tv show. This is quality and informative.
I know it’s not the same thing but I drive heavy freight trains for a living. And when we have problems we consult with fellow staff to solve problems , I never assume that I know everything. There are people at the end of a phone call that have far more experience than me . And it is so reassuring to have that.
It’s not the same thing either but I work as ground crew at an international airport. It actually serves Petter’s airline. I’m forever doing pushback of Ryanair 737s. But I’m never left alone out on the apron. If I’m ever uncertain I can call or radio about three or four colleagues or my supervisors and managers who will immediately respond or come to my aid.
And I’ll never be judged or insulted or ignored for calling out for help or to get a second opinion. Nor would it happen if I called for someone out to help me. All is forgiven in the name of safety in aviation. Or that’s how it’s supposed to work. It’s the same thing with accidents no matter what damage you do and you report it we don’t get punished. Retrained and requalify so we don’t fear losing our jobs then failing to report it.
Heck we’re neither pilots nor engineers but if we wander past an aircraft and we spot something that looks broken, damaged or just “wrong” and we report it then that aircraft is grounded automatically until it’s been checked by an engineer or pilot. In practice this just means a few minutes because engineers and pilots are always onsite.
It’s why incidents like this are so shocking to us. We’re constantly drilled and pushed about safety. We’re reminded often that even for us on the ground, our lives depend on follow the rules. We’re told “The rules are written with the blood of those who come before you. Be careful when you decide to break them for your blood might be what the next rule is written with.” I’ve never forgotten it and I immediately call out any colleagues who don’t.
I just came across your channel while watching 74 Gear. Thanks for making these videos. I just subscribed since I'm interested in aviation.
I am impressed with the controllers attitude and counsel in this case. They really tried to made them realised what was going on on multiple occasions.
I'm from Karachi and I'm quite a big fan of the channel. This crash occurred near my place of residence at the time and I think my family heard it too. I was wondering why you didn't cover it yet and I'm happy you did. Thank you for providing so much detail about this incident that left me horrified but also confused. Why was the landing gear retracted? Why did the engines fail? I had no idea how poorly the landing was executed. Prayers for all the innocent souls who lost their lives because of the pilots' negligence
that must have been horrifying to have a plane crash so close to your home...
When it's at that bad an angle, it's possible the fuel system may not feed the engine right.
@@chukwudiilozue9171 noo, it's explained in the video very clearly - plane hit the surface with no gear down and damaged the engines, so much that oil started leaking, and that ultimately stopped engines.
Because allah wanted so.... Believe in Allah and you will be saved
You bring the gear up in a "go around" to reduce drag. (But NOT a terrain escape maneuver by my understanding).
Part of the problem was the the gear going up was never communicated to the pilot who was insisting on landing.
Well the Captain showed more or less the same attitude that I have when trying to land a jetliner in GTA. "Let's check if I can do it upside down until above the runway".
Impressive how much can actually go wrong before a plane crashes. They had so many opportunities to still save the day.
I've never studied aviation in any capacity, outside of random physics/engineering problems, but it took this video to make me realize how much I've truly learned solely from your content. I only realized this because of how absolutely negligent this entire story is. I couldn't make up a story that's worse regarding the negligence on show here. I could have honestly done a better job adhering to SOPs and I've never stepped in a cockpit or behind the stick in my life. I'm writing this prior to the end,so idk if he included what happened to the pilots since he generally doesn't, but these two legit deserve jail time, or at least the captain... I don't see how it's not some form of negligent homicide/some form of negligence if all souls end up surviving. It's hard for me to tell if the first is complicit or intimidated by his captain.
I've heard you tell probably well over 75 hours worth of content(and this is the only aeronautical content I consume), and all the things I've learned and picked up exclusively by your incredible ability to explain technical concepts in a way that is both easy to understand and also entertaining has actually resulted in a more comprehensive knowledge of your career has surprised me. Making learning accessible and actually fun is such a skill and art that very few are capable of at the level of your content. I wish more teachers truly wished their students would strive to understand the subject instead of just memorizing, it's what allows one student to connect all of their knowledge base instead of having it all compartmentalized. It's the difference between only being capable of performing a specific task and being capable of completing the same task just by understand it's underlying components.
Hello Peter. I want to tell you that i live about 100 meters from where this plane crashed. There are two runways at the karachi International Airport. The old runway has a lot of empty land before its approach, but it is not being used because of military pressure, as it is nearer to the military cantonment area. Instead, this new runway has been built over densely populated area. Had the pilot chose to land on that old runway, he could have crash landed on the vast empty strip of land available just on the right side of where it crashed, and alot of lives could have been saved.
Maybe, but as you will see in this video, these pilots did not have the kind of situational awareness that would have been needed to think “outside the box”
100 meters huh
Bullshit
Where are your photos and video
@@MentourPilotyou are absolutely right. After what they have done, its useless to assume they were capable of any good decision.
@@TreEames Model Town (where the crash site is) Is one of the most densely populated locales in Karachi, which itself is the most populated city in Pakistan, which is the 5th most populous country.
I have friends of friends who live there and were badly affected by the crash.
These guys didn't know whether their gear was down or not. No way they'd have that level of awareness
This is a case where the total disregard of SOPs (not to mention an abysmal lack of situational awareness!!!) was far worse than irresponsible or unprofessional; it was criminal and even immoral. This crew killed dozens of people during daylight hours in good VMC with an aircraft that WAS working perfectly. There is absolutely no excuse for this catastrophe...NONE!
Precisely
Thanks for the detailed video. We presume these are due to mistakes, but now I know what blunders were made.
Interesting, I always wondered if antenna sidelobes cause issues in aviation and what's being done to prevent those issues. The more you know... Thanks for the video!
Its amazing how much the plane was trying to prompt the pilots into recovering the situation. It took constant intense wilful ignorance to break through all those barriers.
The plane tried everything to save these two hopeless pilots yet they screwed up!! God bless the Aircraft!
This is horrific. The number of failures by this flight crew is shocking, and a big part of me was wondering why the FO was letting things continue as they were (and I know there's a lot to be said for power imbalances and also for following orders), but learning how poor this company's monitoring of it's pilots was, this probably wasn't the first time (or anywhere close) that he'd seen pilots disregarding SOPs and safety regulations. Unfortunately, people are as capable of terrible behaviour as we are of amazing behaviour, and the company culture here allowed poor attitudes and behaviours to thrive. Those poor passengers, inhabitants, and ATC controllers. Things like this should never happen, but the fact that it happened in 2020, despite all we've learnt and improved about safety is just awful.
Thank you for presenting this with your usual grace and clarity Peter.
Indeed, exactly.
One could see the FO not wanting to be the inexperienced new guy who comes out of training ready to teach the presumably wiser veterans their trade, but there must have been hundreds of FOs and other close observers who saw at least a little of the captain's flouting of rules and standards over 30 years and let it go. That's institutionalized apathy supporting the natural human desire not to trigger an unpleasantly volatile personality.
The passiveness of the FOs is actually a pretty big problem. I know of at least half a dozen crashes where something has happened to the captain and the FO just doesn’t seem to have the balls to challenge the erring captain or junior take the damn controls with a firm “my aircraft” and fly to safety… even when they know they’re in danger.
Truthfully I don’t understand how it keeps happening. On an instinctive level I just don’t understand how it happens. Why the survival instinct doesn’t kick in.
I was watching a flight video of a qualified and professional A320 crew. One thing the captain said stood out to me in the approach briefing. He said, "If I make a mistake, it is not intentional and please point it out to me".
Crazy how this crew seemed to be more concerned about their personal conversations then critical flight related conversations.
@@mikoto7693 Onr point about the FO was surely his lack of competence. He made a lot of crucial mistakes, too, and probably he knew that he wasn´t the best bullet in the gun. He was not only passive but submissive up to a dangerous level and that was one of his crucial mistakes.
Maybe also an intention to keep harmony in the Cockpit played a role for his behaviour, too - both had obviously chatted a long time nicely with each other and now it was difficult for him to switch the "mode" of the conversation. But that´s only specualtion.
As someone who has limited knowledge about aerodynamics, even I can tell that extending LG when gliding with no engine power was going to introduce substantial drag. The two crazy mistakes I see the pilots making are that they didn't consider to turn on the APU even after grazing the shit out of those engines and a random switching between the SOP and an 'Arrogant operation procedure'.
After the mistakenly attempted belly landing, The captain should have focused on going around for another landing and should have told the first officer to monitor the engines. I mean after scraping the crap out of those engines and the immediate pull up, one of them has to monitor how much power they have got to plan their next possible maneuvers. After disregarding SOPs until the end, they put themselves in a situation where blindly following standard emergency operations wasn't going to help them as their situation was anything but standard. Finally, Despite the engine failure, if they have attempted a second belly landing while deploying the LG at 150-200 ft... I think they could have made it!